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Looking for size 60-61 touring bike with equipment

Hi guys, firstly apologies for my lack of Dutch!!! That is my next problem to solve after finding a bike.

I have recently moved to Amsterdam and I am on the hunt for a touring bike and even better, one that comes with all relevant travel equipment, racks and bags etc... or, just a bike would also do fine and I can get the travel accessories separately.

Two requests:
* firstly, if anyone has a bike for sale please let me know.
* secondly, where is best to look for a bike of this type either in a shop or online? Any guidance here would be very much appreciated.

Thank you in advance!!!
Welcome, @h2gilks123!

Assuming you're looking to buy used and you know what you're looking for, Marktplaats would be the first place I'd look.

Gents:
https://www.marktplaats.nl/l/fietsen-en ... erfietsen/

Ladies:
https://www.marktplaats.nl/l/fietsen-en ... erfietsen/

If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here. Buying bikes with other people's money is what we do best. :)
non-fixie schreef:
di 06 sep, 2022 23:18
Buying bikes with other people's money is what we do best. :)
:lol:

What style and/or period are you looking for? Got my sweet terraliner in mind
small chance you'll find this full package: I guess you'll have to buy bags/panniers separately.

in a shop you pay more, and/but should be less unsure about the state / maintenance.
from a private person you need to look/asses the state of the bike. Look and ask the right questions and feel your instincts.

there is an alternative/option I like: converting a wheelsize 26 inch mountainbike to a 'touringbike'.
I used to mention this link: https://timontyres.com/2017/11/12/why-y ... -594-euro/ but it looks invalid on my apple-laptop...

examples of such a bike: (front-rack can be attached, of course)
collage 6x door mij gebouwd Terrago ATX.jpg
non-fixie schreef:
di 06 sep, 2022 23:18
Welcome, @h2gilks123!

Assuming you're looking to buy used and you know what you're looking for, Marktplaats would be the first place I'd look.

Gents:
https://www.marktplaats.nl/l/fietsen-en ... erfietsen/

Ladies:
https://www.marktplaats.nl/l/fietsen-en ... erfietsen/

If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here. Buying bikes with other people's money is what we do best. :)
Thank you very much for the welcome and for sharing the link to Marktplaats. What is the right Dutch search word for a touring bike... toerfiets?

Do you also have any suggestion of good makes to look for? It seems there is a lot of Koga which would make sense as a Dutch company. I am looking for something robust for a 3-4 weeks journey. As it is my first trip, I don't want to spend thousands of euros in case it turns out that I hate it. I would say, I am searching for two options:
1) a robust and reliable base (frame, greats and breaks) that I can accessorise from there;
2) full package to skip step 1!
Grandonneur schreef:
di 06 sep, 2022 23:27
non-fixie schreef:
di 06 sep, 2022 23:18
Buying bikes with other people's money is what we do best. :)
:lol:

What style and/or period are you looking for? Got my sweet terraliner in mind
I am looking for a robust and reliable touring bike for a 3-4 week trip. Open to suggestions... I have heard good things about the terraliner, if you have further info then please share :)
hoogframe schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 08:33
small chance you'll find this full package: I guess you'll have to buy bags/panniers separately.

in a shop you pay more, and/but should be less unsure about the state / maintenance.
from a private person you need to look/asses the state of the bike. Look and ask the right questions and feel your instincts.

there is an alternative/option I like: converting a wheelsize 26 inch mountainbike to a 'touringbike'.
I used to mention this link: https://timontyres.com/2017/11/12/why-y ... -594-euro/ but it looks invalid on my apple-laptop...

examples of such a bike: (front-rack can be attached, of course)
collage 6x door mij gebouwd Terrago ATX.jpg
Thank you for sharing, it looks like the link has expired unfortunately. I have sent the guy a message on facebook to see if he can share an offline version. Something like the bottom left Giant looks like it would be a very solid option!
Welcome to our forum!

What's your budget for your bike? You can start from 200 euros if you're lucky finding a good used one and go over 10k euros if you'll take the most expensive bike out of a specialist shop.

Do you know how much luggage you want to carry? Minimalist bikepacking style without racks, maybe even skipping the camping and/or cooking gear? Versus fully self supported world travelling in different climates bringing front and rear racks and big panniers. And of course everything in between.

What routes do you want to take it to? All nice and straight tarmac, going to gravel, moving to Paris-Roubaix cobble stones, or up to singletrack mountainbike tracks where it's likely to fly a bit also ;)

Do you have any preferences on dropbar versus flatbar? On steel versus aluminium frame or even titanium or carbon fiber? Derailleur gearing or internal hub, maybe even beltdrive instead of chaindrive?

Will you use it for commuting also? If so, only in nice sunny weather or 5 days a week all year? 5km or 30km one way trip? Do you have a nice dry and safe place to park your bike at work?
Jurr schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 09:39
Welcome to our forum!

What's your budget for your bike? You can start from 200 euros if you're lucky finding a good used one and go over 10k euros if you'll take the most expensive bike out of a specialist shop.

Do you know how much luggage you want to carry? Minimalist bikepacking style without racks, maybe even skipping the camping and/or cooking gear? Versus fully self supported world travelling in different climates bringing front and rear racks and big panniers. And of course everything in between.

What routes do you want to take it to? All nice and straight tarmac, going to gravel, moving to Paris-Roubaix cobble stones, or up to singletrack mountainbike tracks where it's likely to fly a bit also ;)

Do you have any preferences on dropbar versus flatbar? On steel versus aluminium frame or even titanium or carbon fiber? Derailleur gearing or internal hub, maybe even beltdrive instead of chaindrive?

Will you use it for commuting also? If so, only in nice sunny weather or 5 days a week all year? 5km or 30km one way trip? Do you have a nice dry and safe place to park your bike at work?
Hi Jurr, very good questions and thank you for taking the time. Let me respond the best I can.
  • Budget: Ideally around 1,000 euros for everything but I can happily spend less or more if needed
  • Luggage: Racks need to carry luggage for 3-4 weeks plus camping gear
  • Route: Via Francigene, starting north of Turin and ending in Rome, plan to go in October (hoping the weather is not awful!!). I get the sense that the road is a mix of everything, asphalt, gravel tracks, some dirt roads.
  • Frame: I was thinking steel as my understanding is that it is the most durable. What are your thoughts on this?
  • Other bike parts: No preference on handle bars due to experience and on the other questions, I don't have a lot of experience but i would think derailleur and chain drive for ease of repairs.
  • Commuting: I don't think I would use the bike for commuting as I have a day to day bike and currently live 5 minutes from my office but i would definitely take weekend trips to explore this wonderful country :D
Based on my responses, any recommendations would be most welcome :)
'steel is real' :D :wink:
h2gilks123 schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 10:10

Ideally around 1,000 euros for everything but I can happily spend less or more if needed
Sounds like a healthy budget for a used bike. Watch out for buying a moneypit because it needs a lot of parts changed due to expensive damages or a lack of maintenance.
h2gilks123 schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 10:10

Route: Via Francigene, starting north of Turin and ending in Rome, plan to go in October (hoping the weather is not awful!!). I get the sense that the road is a mix of everything, asphalt, gravel tracks, some dirt roads.
With a lot of luggage and travelling also on gravel and dirt tracks you'll benefit from wide tyres. 26 inch/559 wheels will give you this possibility. With 28/29 inch/622 wheels the more recent or mountainbike origin bikes will also do, while most older and more racing bike origin bikes won't be able because frame and/or fork are not made for fitting wide tyres.
h2gilks123 schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 10:10

Frame: I was thinking steel as my understanding is that it is the most durable. What are your thoughts on this?
A good steel frame will do the job, a good aluminium frame will also do. Sometimes a manufacturer combines materials in for example a steel fork with an aluminium frame.
h2gilks123 schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 10:10

Other bike parts: No preference on handle bars due to experience and on the other questions, I don't have a lot of experience but i would think derailleur and chain drive for ease of repairs.
With your budget derailleurs sure are the best choice. Regarding handle bars, trying out can help you find your personal preferences. Changing between different flatbars or different dropbars is cheap most of the time, while changing from flatbar to dropbars or from dropbars to flatbar mostly isn't.
h2gilks123 schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 10:10

Commuting: I don't think I would use the bike for commuting as I have a day to day bike and currently live 5 minutes from my office but i would definitely take weekend trips to explore this wonderful country :D
Good choice splitting this up, that'll reduce the risk of your nice touring bike getting stolen and needing a lot more maintenance in Dutch winter weather.
h2gilks123 schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 09:06

Do you also have any suggestion of good makes to look for? It seems there is a lot of Koga which would make sense as a Dutch company. I am looking for something robust for a 3-4 weeks journey.
Some Koga models will be perfectly capable for your trip, while others totally won't be. Look for example for a WorldTraveller, forget about the WorldTraveller-s, as these were complicated older full suspension models.

Also popular in the Netherlands are Santos bikes. Most models are also capable for a month trip with a lot of luggage, except for some fancy carbon fiber or racing specific ones.

Giant also did a good job on some model years of the Expedition, while other years of the same called model were... just not so good for travelling.

In steel you can also look at the German brand of VSF, just skip the cheap ones with Shimano internal geared hubs. Those are good commuter bikes though. Also in steel you can look for example for the Dutch brand of Avaghon or the USA origin Surly, but those are a bit more expensive most of the time.

Starting with a mountainbike without racks can also be a good start for creating your own touring bike, just make sure you'll have a good base strong enough for touring, carrying all your luggage and racks. A light and race winner designed bike most likely won't be capable ;)

The more you will get your luggage down in weight and volume, more bikes will be suitable for this and future trips.

And as for the 60/61 size stated in the title. That can sure be the correct size for one frame from one specific brand and model, while due to geometry differences another frame can be a perfect fit for you in a 49cm size. What's your length? And what about the inner length of your legs?
I have such a bike like Hoogframe refers to for sale, but in size 58. Length of the top tube is 59cm. Up to you to decide if that might be large enough for your body.
See here: https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1864375557
As a special forum bonus, I can include some classic Agu Quorum rear panniers and Agu Venture front panniers. Both with raincovers but not fully waterproof like Ortliebs. And a new unused 1L thermal bottle which fits in the bottle cage if you like. Send me a PM if you're interested!
h2gilks123 schreef:
wo 07 sep, 2022 09:06
Thank you very much for the welcome and for sharing the link to Marktplaats. What is the right Dutch search word for a touring bike... toerfiets?

Do you also have any suggestion of good makes to look for? It seems there is a lot of Koga which would make sense as a Dutch company. I am looking for something robust for a 3-4 weeks journey. As it is my first trip, I don't want to spend thousands of euros in case it turns out that I hate it. I would say, I am searching for two options:
1) a robust and reliable base (frame, greats and breaks) that I can accessorise from there;
2) full package to skip step 1!
Looks like you've found your personal advisory team right here. :D

WRT Marktplaats searches: the best way to find good deals is to just browse the above categories. Bikes are often grossly misrepresented (wrong names, sizes, types, and last but not least: many spelling errors), so will not show up in your searches. And more importantly: those of your competitors. :)

Brands like Koga and Santos are good bikes, well-known, and subsequently quite popular. You'll pay a premium price for those.

I am strictly a vintage steel kind of guy, and build my own bikes, so probably of not much help to you when it comes to more modern trekking bikes or "vacation bikes".

BTW, I have come acrosss the Via Francigena a couple of times in Tuscany:

Afbeelding
This might be your size?

https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1871970930

On the pictures I can see a Giant Terrago mountainbike base, 26 inch 559 wheels, Magura HS11 hydraulic brakes, Tubus front and rear racks, SKS mudguards, Ergon grips and a Pletscher kickstand.
That is a nice piece of toerfiets. mention the wielen, they seem to count 40 spokes but cannot tell for sure. means (short) in case rims are worn (mighty be the case) or hub cracked got to get a brand new set of wielen 36 or 32 hole count. Or just in case before leaving replace them anyway.

Not too big a problem, just keep in mind if it's 40h indeed.
Grandonneur schreef:
do 08 sep, 2022 15:46
That is a nice piece of toerfiets. mention the wielen, they seem to count 40 spokes but cannot tell for sure. means (short) in case rims are worn (mighty be the case) or hub cracked got to get a brand new set of wielen 36 or 32 hole count. Or just in case before leaving replace them anyway.

Not too big a problem, just keep in mind if it's 40h indeed.
Thank you both. seems like a good price. Is it a steel frame as well? I can see 4130 chromoly on the front fork.
That Terrago model year has an aluminium frame with a steel fork.
Jurr schreef:
do 08 sep, 2022 14:01
This might be your size?

https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1871970930

On the pictures I can see a Giant Terrago mountainbike base, 26 inch 559 wheels, Magura HS11 hydraulic brakes, Tubus front and rear racks, SKS mudguards, Ergon grips and a Pletscher kickstand.
I am also a big fan of the UK Netherland connection.... produce and controlled by Giant company in The Netherlands and distributed by Giant UK :P
The Giant Terrago is a nice bike, in my opinion. Nice racks. Please realise that the top-tube-length is quite long: please test if you'll find a comfortable or, if wanted, sporty seat/position on the bike. (maybe the same bike in frame size 22 or 21,5 inch will suite yo better)
And test if the rear of your shoes/boots touches the side-stand ('have been there, done that').
And please have al look how the stem clamps the handle-bars: I see a grey spacer. Is there any 'play'(In Dutch: speling) there?

My thought: Go test it, because 'the proof of the pudding, is in the eating' :lol:
The terrago just might use the same frame as my atx. 23,5” suits 1.90m (metric :)) but then i prefer the forward position on this bike. Hoogframe is right.

Very durable and stiff alloy frame. She doesn’t always prefer the gentle way still takes bumps&jumps with a smile on her cockpit. Picture with the 1x11 conversion in a gravelish setup including carrier. It is a versatile lady, great fun.
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